Actually, it's not that small, excluding Australia, it's the 8th largest island in the world, and the journey from Lands End to John O'Groats is longer than Florida to Washington DC. But the weather's crap, so we have to invade the rest of the world to get the sunshine.
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Have the British military invaded your country - see map for details
by besty in.
every schoolboy used to know that at the height of the empire, almost a quarter of the atlas was coloured pink, showing the extent of british rule.. but that oft recited fact dramatically understates the remarkable global reach achieved by this country.. a new study has found that at various times the british have invaded almost 90 per cent of the countries around the globe.. .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/british-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-luxembourg.html.
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A couple of real wild statements made at the meeting Sunday
by Sour Grapes infrom time to time there are things said by the brother giving the public talk or conducting the watchtower that just make my jaw drop.
here are two from sunday.
"we are 98 years into the last days"
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Do not forget - a thousand years with Jehovah are but a moment. (and in case that's not clear, I am being sarcastic).
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Can you list watchtower articles that claim anything from the 'faithful slave' should be taken as from jehovah himself?
by EndofMysteries injust a few wts that put to the effect anything from them should be taken as from jehovah himself and also with elders or being disfellowshipped, that it means jehovah himself is angry with them, that's it's punishment from him.
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DATA-DOG - " They revise their history at will"
That nails it! The most repugnant aspect of their being - and coming from an org than supposedly reveres TRUTH it is hard remain objective with them.
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Have the British military invaded your country - see map for details
by besty in.
every schoolboy used to know that at the height of the empire, almost a quarter of the atlas was coloured pink, showing the extent of british rule.. but that oft recited fact dramatically understates the remarkable global reach achieved by this country.. a new study has found that at various times the british have invaded almost 90 per cent of the countries around the globe.. .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/british-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-luxembourg.html.
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Satanus, you are right, I missed that sub tly in the title - and you are also right, IT has many more means than military and economic tools at it disposal. But information is an old tool that is becoming ever more difficult to control, and so long as the internet survives, that will be a tool that will prevent invasion rather than help it.
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Do most people become Jehovah's Witnesses out of fear they might be destroyed at Armageddon ?
by Finkelstein ina practical question concerning human psychology .
it very well be that it was the jws who were.
responsible for first approaching this posing question to people to incite their interest and concern.. i can confidently say it was for my 20 something year old mother back in the early 50's.. unfortunately people who did so, weren't completely discerning the probable commercial .
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I don't think the fear fo Armegoddon had much to do with my conversion. But I think that 00DAD has a point as to while people stay. But I think it has more to do with their love of the network of friends etc than a fear of shunning. If they had friends outside the Org, they wouldn't give a f**k for shunning.
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Have the British military invaded your country - see map for details
by besty in.
every schoolboy used to know that at the height of the empire, almost a quarter of the atlas was coloured pink, showing the extent of british rule.. but that oft recited fact dramatically understates the remarkable global reach achieved by this country.. a new study has found that at various times the british have invaded almost 90 per cent of the countries around the globe.. .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/british-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-luxembourg.html.
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Invasion takes more than one form. Yes, we the British invaded most of the world at some point or another, but these days it's taking a different form. The USA failed miserably to invade Vietnam militarily, but has achieved so much more economically since then. We will all be colonies of the Chinese before long.
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What attracted you to the Watchtower?
by Christ Alone inwhat attracted you to the watchtower?
were you raised in it?
if not, what caused you to convert?
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I still feel a certain reproach from those that were “born in” towards those that were converted. I understand that feeling from purely objective perspective, given the passage of time. I would only say to those that were born in, do not hold that too much against your parents. Hindsight is easy. I would love to turn back the clock. Oh how much!
I do not consider my teenage self to be simple minded, unread, or to have a dead end life – I fought hard against what was presented before me because I didn’t want to give up what I had up till then held as my future in life, but I found the answers very compelling. I didn’t have a leaning towards needing to search for “meaning”, even though I lived trough the hippie period. I was, as steve2 put it, optimistically gullible. Please do not condemn me - or your parents, for that.
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Can you list watchtower articles that claim anything from the 'faithful slave' should be taken as from jehovah himself?
by EndofMysteries injust a few wts that put to the effect anything from them should be taken as from jehovah himself and also with elders or being disfellowshipped, that it means jehovah himself is angry with them, that's it's punishment from him.
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AnnOMaly – a very interesting piece from Carl Olof Jonsson, and you’re right, I did find it an interesting read. And Leolaia, a very good précis on the subject, thank you. If I have to disagree with anything you posted (and I acknowledge the IF) it is this; “So if Knorr actually predicted anything, it is this: … ”
My point was that Knorr (and/or Franz) predicted nothing at all! That is, nothing that actually came true. Everything HE predicted failed. He took an (after the event) some one else’s prediction that did come true, ignored the rest, and claimed it for himself. Intellectual dishonesty at the highest.
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Psychics fail test in controlled setting
by EntirelyPossible inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20145664.
the test by researchers at goldsmiths, university of london, tried to establish whether mediums could use psychic abilities to identify something about five unseen volunteers.. the results, carried out under test conditions, did not show evidence of any unexplained powers of insight.. but medium patricia putt said this experiment "doesn't prove a thing".. this halloween challenge was an attempt to investigate whether professional mediums could demonstrate their psychic powers in a controlled setting - by inviting them to deduce something about people they had never met and could not see or hear..
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shamus100 - you are thinking that psychics are rubbish! - see I always knew I was psychic - well, I always knew it since tomorrow that is.
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Can you list watchtower articles that claim anything from the 'faithful slave' should be taken as from jehovah himself?
by EndofMysteries injust a few wts that put to the effect anything from them should be taken as from jehovah himself and also with elders or being disfellowshipped, that it means jehovah himself is angry with them, that's it's punishment from him.
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I know this is somewhat off-topic to the original thread, but I have read a little more about this “prediction” that the "faithful and discreet slave" supposedly gave as they were “guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit”.
I found the text of the speech that Knorr gave on September 20th 1942 in a booklet called, “Peace – Can it last?”, (although the booklet calls it the New World Theocratic Assembly rather than United Theocratic Announcers Assembly, but I’m assuming it’s the same one as the dates match) – you can get a copy from here;
http://ia600304.us.archive.org/27/items/WatchtowerLibrary/booklets/1942_pcl_E.pdf
Nowhere in this speech does Knorr predict the outcome claimed. He does in fact refer to a number of possible outcomes to the war, including the setting up of a World Government, a sort of USW, on pages 11-12 he says, “Those of a democratic mind hope for a United States of the world, a "family of nations", a "world association" based on the United Nations, including a "world legion". Says one spokesman: "An international constitution and government will be a postwar necessity."”.
He goes on to quote the prediction of a US cabinet member who, as far as we know, made his prediction without the guidance of Jehovah’s unerring spirit - “One of the president's own cabinet members says: "A world organization, with the United Nations as its base, will determine the peace, and the postwar world will be policed by the allied powers."” (page 12). And what is more, Knorr does not even endorse this prediction any more than he does any of the others.
So in actual fact, the "faithful and discreet slave" did not make it known that the democracies would win World War II and set up the UN, it was the other way round, the democracies made this known to the faithful and discreet slave! This arrogation of someone else’s prediction is extraordinary, even by Watchtower standards, especially when you consider that the 1960 Watchtower was written by the very same people (Knorr and Franz) who wrote that 1942 speech.